Folks figured that God worked in a consistent and orderly fashion, A, B, C, etc… and then these gentile folks ended up doing the tongue speaking deal and they hadn’t even been baptised yet. (Acts 10:44-48). The text uses the term astonished… I’m thinking in todays society, indignant might be more typical. “How could this happen, God is one of order, this makes no sense, we need to have a meeting on this etc, who are these folks anyhow?”

Peter is way cool with it though. “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”

hmmmm

Where does discipline, obedience, and “good order” fit within this reading? If anything, I think this is a place where love overshadows structure and order. If we consider the Gospel text (John 15:9-17) love seems to be the bigger deal. I think we get ourselves into an indignancy jam up when we try to project what we think is right and proper beyond the scriptures.

I remember some weeks back noticing some youthful communion assistants with attire far outside my scope of reverence… Initially I was thinking whoa, not cool, but then after a few minutes, it was like well, this is cool but in a different sort of way. Attire is not the issue, the heart is, and if someone is comfortable coming to God in such a way, there is a sort of reverence in such an act in and of itself. I had to put love and discipline in the right order… and put my personal opinions as to reverence aside.

Every once in a while lay presidency, the Augsburg confession / apology, and its good order counter make for a bit of a dustup. Granted there is the sticky deal with the Episcopalian full communion document, but love has to be at the bottom of it all. I think somehow or another, the issue becomes whether one is really willing to give up multidimensional comfort zones for love, or whether to hijack love and project our own preferences and desires onto it.

Such is a tricky deal indeed.

Most folks are well aware of declining young adult attendance, and likewise kids bailing from church post confirmation. As such, it seems like getting gung ho on youth ministry could well be a proactive step to avoid further young adult exodus type experience. The next step, an often overlooked one to folks peril…. is what is youth ministry?

As an idealist, I see youth ministry as:

A Safe Space for Questioning and Growth

An all-in approach to the Gospel, such that youth ministry is overtly Christian, not a Gospel of good behavior or works, nor moral therapeutic deism/theism, or any number of related variants.

Providing opportunities for putting ones faith into action.

An intergenerational and family approach which integrates youth with the entire congregation and ministry with the family.

By the same token, idealism often slams head on into reality, and youth ministry can morph into something else…

Safe space can freaks folks out… there are multitudes of very hard questions, where in canned answers are not going to fly. Hard core discussion on such are often perceived negatively. Ie consider Rob Bell’s Love Wins for example. Its a whole lot easier to morph into “do not ask/discuss those types of questions” than it is to embrace safe space. It doesn’t have to be things like “Does Hell exist” or “What about the inconsistencies in the Gospels”, but could be something like “Did Luther really say “Sin a little to spite the devil“.

A full bore Gospel centric approach sounds fine in theory… but a theology of glory is a much easier sale to parents and congregations than the theology of the cross. Consider how the following plays out in Ask Mr Moralism.

There’s this guy who says he’s a Christian, but he apparently thinks about his body a LOT. He works out HOURS a day, and poses for pictures in his underwear, knowing they will be displayed publicly.

He works at this place where they have dancing girls, getting paid to do sexy dances.

And there’s TONS of drinking there. His salary comes from an employer who’s made millions off alcohol sales!

Like I said, he says he’s a Christian. Should I take a stand to show people I disapprove?

Read the response… kids see this type of stuff for what it is all the time. Moral behaviorism is not the answer.

Faith into action is pretty cool… but we need to exercise care that such doesn’t morph into works without faith. An experienced Boy or Girl scout leader can run circles around most youth ministers when it comes to works alone, but then works alone isn’t really what we are after or is it?

Some have said that the old formula head -> heart -> hands appears to be changing to hands -> heart -> head. The problem with the order changing is that in some cases youth ministry implementation equates to a lower or even non-existent priority for everything but works. If the only difference between a youth ministry and a secular program is a prayer at the start, a couple minutes of scripture and then Jesus gets put aside for the rest of it, one has to ask if its really youth ministry.

Youth ministry when thrown over the wall and nearly separate from the rest of the church can sometimes work exceedingly well, at least in the short term. We’ve all heard or participated in the guru leader youth pastor who takes a youth group from 4-5 kids to hundreds, and amazing things happen. That is, until the youth leader leaves and/or the youth grow up.

Likewise, youth ministry separate from the family can pose no small amount of headaches when the value sets are at odds. If a family looks at a youth ministry to indoctrinate doctrine, and or instill morality rather than the Gospel, they will take issue when discipleship is the focus rather than rote memorization or white knuckle abstinence.

The elephant in the room challenge in youth ministry is often the varying degrees of idealism and pragmatism, combined with where a congregation is, and where they can realistically go. Folks will say on the one hand… we need to get serious about youth ministry, and then on the other, put so many barriers in place that real youth ministry ends up being near impossible…. and then wonder why they have such a high churn rate in youth ministers.

Bottom line… figure out what your vision for youth ministry is, figure out where your congregation is at, and see if the vision is possible. Plan as to how you will get there, and share this with your potential youth minister and what his/her role will be as concerns said vision. Assuming that a new youth minister is not only good to go to work with the youth, but will also primarily drive the congregation towards a vision they are not on board with, will be an exercise in frustration for all concerned.

It was easier before, when the path was wide and straight.

But, truth be told, I was faking it. I was pretending that things that didn’t make sense made sense, that things that didn’t feel right felt right. To others, I appeared confident and in control, but faith felt as far away as friend who has grown distant and cold.

Now, every day is a risk.

Now, I have no choice but to cling to faith and hope and love for dear life.

Now, I have to keep a very close eye on Jesus, as he leads me through deep valleys and precarious peaks.

But the view is better, and, for the first time in a long time, I am fully engaged in my faith.

I got thinking on this a bit, and a friends blog came to mind where he writes on the problems on datacentric approaches to education. I like how he tied data driven schools to Platos Allegory of the cave. Even more so, it also seemed to ring very parallel to what Rachel is writing about.

@anderscj nails it with this summary “The shadows are cast on the wall, and prisoner’s in the cave are made to spend their whole lives looking at the shadows and never allowed to turn around and see what is making them. To Plato’s prisoners the shadows are the real things and anyone who is freed and turned around to see what they are producing is thought to have “gone to the surface and come back without their sight” because spending time actually examining what has produced those shadows has made their ability to see the shadows for real objects worse.”

No one likes to consider themselves a prisoner, or to merely be seeing shadows… yet

1. Consider how really massively huge the scriptures are.

2. Consider Paul telling us we see dimly in 1 Cor 13:12.

3. Consider how comfortable and safe a cave environment could be in contrast with the unknown dangers outside of it.

If we flee from growth and/or difficult questioning, I think there is a real danger of becoming Platos shadow observers. A projection show in a cave is safe, comfortable, and easy. We dont really feel like prisoners of our own making… Likewise we will never experience the rejection as have those who have “gone to the surface and come back without their sight.”

Otoh, a prisoner of ones own making sort of shoots a hole in studying to be an approved workman, and makes discipling others near impossible.

God told me you need to do this or that!

For years, I used to hear from folks that, God is leading them to tell me to do this or that… almost always, it was something that said individual personally wanted, and much of the time, it was also contrary to the scriptures.

Personal gain + contrary to scriptures = This is not of God

Folks, be honest, dont try to invoke some type of god card to get what you want. It makes God look like a carnival rabbits foot, or some type of pawn to sway anothers opinion to their viewpoint. Jeremiah 23:16 has some words on this… it is not cool.

God is leading me to do this or that!

Ok, so how is this happening? If it was some type of supernatural blinding light Damascus road deal, God is not leading, he is telling, and you best be on it like yesterday. There is of course the issue of whether said supernatural deal is from God or from Satan. The key thing to remember… not all supernatural stuff is from God, such must be tested. 1 John 4 and 2 Cor 11 talks about this. Also bear in mind it is likely society, Christian and secular will see you as off your rocker… or at a minimum be exceedingly skeptic. Otoh, if it is really of God, doing the Jonah thing would not end well.

What if its not a supernatural blinding light deal, but it appears a still small voice in a whirlwind… Test it as above, is it in alignment with the scriptures, is it from God, or a bogus angel of light, and but also bear in mind self deception is very real. Consider St Augustine. ” Man’s love of truth is such that when he loves something which is not the truth, he pretends to himself that what he loves is the truth, and because he hates to be proved wrong, he will not allow himself to be convinced that he is deceiving himself. So he hates the real truth for the sake of what he takes to his heart in its place.”

The thing is, for most folks, Damascus road and still small voices do not occur, or when they do, they end up failing the aforementioned tests. Rather, we might consider discernment along the following lines:

• We need to be open to hearing God… not too busy, not too narrow in focus, not too encumbered to hear. The sacraments,  the daily office, the Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius, and even nature/spiritual focused spiritual practices could be of much help in this regard.
• We need to consider the counsel of others. Many non-connected individuals are telling you similar messages which seem aligned or at least not in conflict with the scriptures can be a plus. Said individuals also have skin in the game, such that it is not merely human praise and good feelings, but they are willing to go to the floor with you if need be would be a real positive.
• A sense of peace occurs after significant prayer about a potential direction.
• Said peace is pointing towards God, rather than merely an internal peace blooming from within. Again refer to the self deception thing Augustine talks about.

Lastly, I think its critically important to distinguish paths of which God is leading one to paths which align with God’s will. Ie, discerning God’s lead can be a challenge, determining if a given path is aligned with God’s will, ie it is not counter to the scriptures is pretty easy. An hour on Biblegateway can provide a whole lot more guidance as to alignment or lack of alignment with God’s will than months of discerning God’s leading by other than Damascus road or still small voice in the whirlwind experiences.

Yet, there are those who dont get it. Its sad really… folks on the one hand will take offense when Jefferson (the video’s author) brought up the bit about God not loving the single mom. No church teaches such, its not in the scriptures either… but it sure didn’t take long before Christians started bashing single moms who responded positively to this video either on youtube or on facebook, and telling them they were going to hell.

Likewise, some folks cant seem to see the difference between the church, Christ’s bride, and “false” religion, and with such a view rightfully took the video as a church bashing thing, completely missing the point where Jefferson says he loves the church. Granted, more explicit language to distinguish the two might have mitigated such… but the number of folks missing the point in this regard is small. Its pretty easy to see the false religion of legalism, hypocrisy, and related as being counter to the bride of Christ.

There were a number of folks who semantic issues. Ie the whole Christianity is, is/not a religion thing which opens up a can of worms and dictionaries fly and all sorts of poking at each other begins. Folks for whom the video was intended will see where Jefferson is going, folks outside the audience will see it as a logical inconsistency.

And of course, there are the Pelagians and other related legalists who had serious heartburn. Ie, the folks who wish to replace God’s role with their own. You could about see em sputter… “but, but, but” Pelagianism and man’s pride is alive and well in our era, then again, its nothing new. Pope Innocent I condemned it way back when on January 27, 417, it looks like Mr Jefferson Bethke is having a much needed go at it again 1600 years later. Go get em sir!!!

Lastly, like all things, it is possible to read into things, and go too far…ie Jesus and me is not the answer, we do very much need the community of faith. I address gospel add-ons, pelagianism, and the Jesus and me thing in a bit more depth in my own video response.

Special thanks are due to Cindy at undermuchgrace for permission to use the cool graphic on grace. Libby Anne in her post “How Creationism Drove me out of the Church” brought up some very good points about adding things to the Gospel.

1. For nearby stars one uses geometry based upon the earths rotation around the sun. The math and measurement approach is solid. It can be observed in ones own backyard with very modest equipment. The observational data is then modeled and a distance is calculated. The geocentric worldview which was derived from the scriptures was in conflict with this… It took many years for the church to accept, but the geocentric worldview was finally known to be in error. As such, the interpretation of scriptures leading to such a worldveiw was proven to be in error.

2. For more distant stars, one looks at their color distribution and brightness. A given color distribution must have a known brightness… if the brightness is lower than its color distribution would suggest, the star is further away. This too can be observed in ones own backyard with pretty modest equipment. This data is then modeled and a distance is calculated.

3. For very distant stars, one looks at their color distribution and how far it has shifted towards the redder colors, not unlike hearing the pitch of a train whistle or car horn decrease as it proceeds away from a person. This too can be observed in ones own backyard, but it takes a fair amount of work. This data is then modeled and a distance is calculated.

As Christians, what we have is the following:
A. The scriptures and how we interpret them.
B. What we can see with our own eyes, how we interpret what we see, ie observations, models, and conclusions.

This leads to the messy situation, where in your buddy sees a orange cat, and yet you tell him its white as thats what the Bible says it is. Even worse, you tell him its white with great authority, even though you have not taken the time to go look for it yourself or even consider that how you are interpreting the scriptures could be in error.

What if the cat really is white, and your buddy needs to get to an eye doctor fast?

What if the cat really is orange, and your interpretation of the scriptures is in error like the geocentrists was… Have you put a stumbling block in front of your buddy?

Does the color of a cat, or the age of the universe really matter as concerns issues of faith or practice?

If it does matter in areas of faith and practice, what will happen to your belief system should star distance measurement denial follow a similar course as geocentrism?

I’m of the opinion Mark 9;42 is connected to the rest of the chapter where in we have Jesus referencing body parts as to the cause of stumbling. I find it exceedingly interesting that the tongue is clearly absent from the adjacent text. Rather the adjacent text indicates body parts are key, the stumbling bit seems to be much more a physical thing… ie, using the eyes to lust or covet, and the foot and hands to run off and steal, kidnap or rape.

Likewise, the predecessor verses seem to indicate even others who are outside the group are not a threat… ie dudes were casting out demons in Jesus name, even though they were not “one of us”, and Jesus was cool with it, even though the disciples were not.

Going back a bit further back in the chapter, we run into Jesus coming down on the disciples for pride and arrogance as to who would be the greatest. To some extent, I wonder if ideological protectionism, sheltering, and indoctrination may be more of a power play than a anti-stumbling methodology?

Going beyond just scripture into reason and experience, it seems the practices of falsehoods, sheltering, and indoctrination more often than not does eventually cause little ones to stumble… the exact opposite of what such was intended to protect against. Such plays out every year to folks peril when overly sheltered, and indoctrinated young folks go off to college, followed there after by the casting away of their beliefs, where as other young students more often than not tend to stay the course they were taught.

I think only the bit that could be used to justify sheltering is where Jesus talks about salt loosing its saltiness in Mark 9:50 but such would be a substantial mis-interpretation. Salt in and of itself doesnt loose its saltiness. Bulk salt properties otoh are subject to change, with the greatest rates of change occurring when 99.999% sale is removed from its hermetic packaging. For background info, consider the bulk osmotic pressure differences between 99.999% NaCl and NaCl based road salt.

Granted a discussion of osmotic pressure differentials is far outside the scope of this article… but considering that we are not to put our light under a lampstand, and that hermetic seals are not forever… long term protectionism does not appear a wise course of action.

The text of issue: Exodus 38:8 Moreover, he made the laver of bronze with its base of bronze, from the mirrors of the serving women who served at the doorway of the tent of meeting.

It seems odd that only the women at the temple entrance were singled out as a group in contrast to the 600,000 + others in the building of the tabernacle. Rabbi’s, such as Rashi seem to tie in the bit about Miriams song of the red sea, and military victory as concerning this text. Likewise Rashi presents some additional background. Mirrors were used by women to seduce their enslaved and exhausted husbands in the field for purposes of childbearing. Such was exceedingly important, as Rashi interprets Pharaohs actions in keeping the enslaved husbands exhausted, and likewise away from their families at night, as methods to foster the demise of the Jewish people in future generations.

Like Rashi, I tend to think the mirror business is sexually connected. Unlike Rashi, I’m thinking the women at the temple entrance were using mirrors and such for prostitution. The use of mirrors in the field certainly makes sense considering the Jewish focus on purity and the focus on continuation of their people for future generations.. but it seems a major stretch of the text to fit a position. Ie, these women were not at the field, they were at entrance to the tent of the meeting. In addition, if we consider the following in combination with the historical context of temple prostitution.

1 Samuel 2:22 Now Eli was very old, and he kept hearing all that his sons were doing to all Israel, and how they lay with the women who were serving at the entrance to the tent of meeting.

Granted, some could likewise say such is a bit of a stretch… scripture is not explicitly clear that the women were prostitutes, and likewise, history can vary from place to place. Thus the nearly 180 degree difference in my interpretation in contrast with Rashi. Continuing on…

If we then consider that Moses originally rejected the inclusion of mirrors, it seems a bit off. Ie, the symbolism of the propagation of future generations would seemingly be a righteous thing as recognition of God’s covenant with Abraham. On the other hand, if the mirrors had been involved in prostitution, Moses would seemingly be making the right call to reject their use… yet Rashi indicates God commanded their inclusion.

This inclusion of the women’s mirrors in the construction of the basin and its base could point towards Christ’s ministry and His focus on matters of the heart rather than the purity codes. The putting aside of the old and becoming new, being washed clean. Ie in giving up their mirrors, such could be symbolism of leaving prostitution behind. Likewise, such could point to Christ’s focus on sacrifice from the heart rather than sacrificial ritual. Ie, rather than giving $320 each, like the 600,000+ did, they gave away the tools of their profession. Lastly, the aspect of not causing another to stumble. Ie, they didnt sell the mirrors to others, but in being part of the basin assembly, no one else could use the mirrors for prostitution.

Then again… there is a tendency for us to look backwards in time. Its quite likely Christ’s ministry focus was the original intent of God all along. Purity and ritual were a means to reach the heart, rather than the disguises of righteousness used by the Pharisees.

As such, it is certainly a reasonable stance that the church should take care of the poor…

If one were to go back to the Old Testament rules on tithing, ie not 10%, but 23-1/3%, the church could do so somewhat. On the other hand, most Christians believe that the old testament laws no longer apply, but more so that we should give from the heart. In theory, this sounds like a much better solution. There will be some who give little to nothing, and others who give 90%+, and it would seem that giving would be even greater than the OT’s 23-1/3& figure.

Realistically, the US average church tithe ends up being only 2.43% or about $40 billion. Of that $40 billion, nearly 3/4 goes to salaries, buildings, and program expenses… thus, there is about $10 billion left for missions. If one splits the missions costs in half, ie 50% for evangelism, materials, missionaries, overhead, we end up with $5 billion/year to take care of the world’s poor by providing food, clothing, & shelter. I’m leaving off medical care, as there are differences in opinion as to the parable of the good samaritan and todays medical practices.

The US Govt spends $9.1 billion on food, nutrition, and temporary assistance for needy families each month (page 16 of the above report). So… if the church were to take care of the poor in the US, they could do so for ~2 weeks, before running out of money. In fairness though, lets assume there is a loss of efficieny, fraud, waste, etc in govt programs where in the church could do quite a bit better. For the sake of argument, lets say the church could out perform government on a 10:1 basis... fewer regs, fewer middlemen, ie farm direct to the poor with volunteer transport, better negotiations, more donations than direct purchases, more volunteer positions than paid ones, greater oversight, less fraud, better full time employment placements etc. (Ok, so I’ve way overly optimistic on this)

The church at its current budget levels, and priorities could thus provide for food, nutrition and temporary assistance for the poor in the US for 6 months out of the year…

Some have suggested, if the govt were to step away, that church folks would then donate more… some have even researched this (its behind paywall) and suggest that church giving declined as the new deal programs came into being. Then again, causation and correlation are not the same. It is how ever interesting to note the following data:

1933 Church giving 3.2%

1955 Church tithing 3.2%

2002 Church tithing 2.6%

2008 Church tithing 2.4%

If one then adds in the fact that taxes as a percentage of GDP are lower than they have been for decades… its easy to go???? Again, correlation and causation are often at odds.

Another aspect to consider, is how much the poor should be helped. Ie, govts idea of what is reasonable support. may be at odds with the values of some Christians. A Bishop of the Catholic church says one thing, those in the pew another and priests another. Likewise, Hugh, a Mennonite minister, overhears some Bible study commentary and….

“The passage was the story of the rich young ruler, who comes to Jesus for advice, and then Jesus tells him to sell everything he has and to give it to the poor. The people in the small group were having a tough time with this.

After hearing that story read, a young guy in the room – richer than 80% of the planet, born the predominant race and the most privileged gender in the wealthiest country in the world – the very epitome of a rich young ruler to the majority of our planet – it was then that this kid said,”I think the important thing to keep in mind is to have a balanced view. After all, God gives us our possessions for a reason, and—”

It was then that I lost it….”

Read the entire article at Who Sinned that these people are poor

What about Barbados, Calcutta, Guyana? If churches only help those lacking food in the US for 6 months, what about the rest of the world? What about the rest of the year?

There is corruption in government, even the most optimistic pro-government person there is can see problems with favoritism, single bid contracts, political contributions etc… but alas, the church is not immune. A fellow was kicked out of his church, as he didnt attend often enough. Imagine in todays economic climate, how many can’t attend “often enough”…now imagine said folks not only being thrown out of church, but also economically tossed out on the street. A very sad example of this is what happens far too often when folks get divorced. Imagine what would happen to the poor person who the church was helping.

The thing is, it wasnt always this way, and likewise not all churches are like the above. Back when, churches were behind the building of hospitals, the building and planning of schools. Public schools, a hundred plus years ago were rallied for, and even funded by the ELCA’s predecessor bodies. Today, churches have sold their hospitals, sold their schools, and many have become exceedingly dependent upon government to function. Ie, Lutheran social services and Catholic charities here in MN receive so much money from the state, that had the MN budget shutdown continued, they were looking to have to cancel any number of services. Likewise, when government funds church charities, hospitals etc, strings are included, and rightly so… but alas, such is often in conflict with the mission and/or values of the church.

Bottom line, its not just a math thing, a history thing, a definition thing, or even an abuse thing. Recent history is pretty clear, the church cant do it all, or even a major portion, irrespective of Matthew 25. Likewise, the government cant do it all either, as evidenced by greater and greater budget cuts, almost always impacting the least of these more so than anyone else.

This is where churches can and often do step up to the plate… and yet so many still fall through the cracks. To think that the govt should step back, and shift greater burden for poverty onto the church is beyond unrealistic….

If we believe the words of Christ as concerns the parable of the wheat and the tares, the no real Christian phrase falls apart.

If we take the doctrinal position that all sins are equal, short of the unforgivable sin, the no real Christian argument crashes and burns. Yes, it is a hard thing to consider the lusting of the eyes of a 17 yr old with the murder of 90+ people, but either we believe what scriptures say about sin equivalence or we dont.

If all scripture is inspired and beneficial, the killing actions of Saul and David, namely the deaths of 10′s of thousands in 1 Samuel 18 and the acts of genocide commanded to Saul in 1 Samuel 15, must not be ignored.

If we look at contemporary culture, we have Francis Schaeffer, one of the founders of today’s Christian Right in the US, book “A Christian Manifesto” who states:

“There does come a time when force, even physical force, is appropriate. . . . A true Christian in Hitler’s Germany and in the occupied countries should have defied the false and counterfeit state. This brings us to a current issue that is crucial for the future of the church in the United States, the issue of abortion. . . . It is time we consciously realize that when any office commands what is contrary to God’s law it abrogates its authority. And our loyalty to the God who gave this law then requires that we make the appropriate response in that situation.”

Francis son, Frank, presents a really scathing analysis, which I think goes much too far, and likewise far too politicalized, but beneath it all there appears an element of truth. .

A scary deal is the following from Breivik’s 2083 Manifesto, much of which I’ve heard espoused by any number of folks who would be considered “real Christians”. Bear in mind, Breivik attributed this to another author, but must have agreed with it enough to include it in his book.

As Christianity is a way of life, and life involves power relationships, Christianity is at once a political way of life. One can not separat eout ones politics from ones faith and beliefs, they are intertwined as ones beliefs effects ones politics. Thus, within the Christian worldview, there is no separation of ‘Christianity’ and ‘politics’, as distinct spheres, ‘politics’ is but another sphere of the way of life that is Christianity. Politics is subsumed within Christianity.

Persecution of Christians and oppression of Christianity is contrary to the will of God. Thus, ‘the universal and global church on earth’ should enter into solidarity with persecuted Christians wherever they are found. The church should centre its life, not around sacraments, or dogmas, (though these should never be done away with), but on the experiences and the cause of the martyred, and the oppressed, and suffering Christian. Christians should come together and study and support one another in tackling persecution and oppression of Christians. Theology should be rooted in the experiences of the persecuted.

Perhaps whats even scarier, is its not just Breivik, case in point the following extended forum discussion from 2007 which references parts of the same document that Brevik quoted above. Its far too lengthy to cut and paste.

Lastly, in Breivik’s own words

Christian, Protestant but I support a reformation of Protestantism leading to it being absorbed by Catholisism. The typical “Protestant Labour Church” has to be deconstructed as its creation was an attempt to abolish the Church. Religious: I went from moderately to agnostic to moderately religious

My parents, being rather secular wanted to give me the choice in regards to religion.
At the age of 15 I chose to be baptised and confirmed in the Norwegian State Church. I
consider myself to be 100% Christian.

Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I’m not an excessively religious
man. I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a
monocultural Christian Europe.

We’d like to think no real Christian would do such, but alas with scripture, church history, contemporary writings, and others actually advocating violence… it appears that some would do such. Even sadder, I’m not convinced the perpetrators are always deluded nutjobs, no matter how convenient such a label would be.