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	<title>Comments on: Against Scripture Memorization in Youth Programs, a Counterpoint</title>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, I&#039;d suggest you give a bit more thought to one of your points: &quot;Focus on application of scripture, not just rote knowledge.&quot;

I memorized a LOT of verses as a kid. In a lot of different programs, so the same verses came up again and again and were reinforced. But I&#039;m glad I wasn&#039;t given a canned &quot;application&quot; to go along with each verse. Maybe it also helped that my dad could come up with a quote from scripture to apply to any situation. Sometimes it was a joke. Sometimes he even changed things up. One of his favorites was, &quot;And when you pray, go into your closet, and when you have shut the door ... find the broom and start sweeping.&quot;

Having a lot of verses memorized without any particular application has really enhanced my meditative life as an adult because each verse wasn&#039;t married to a canned interpretation. I could play with them in ways I would never have thought of as a kid when I did the memory work.

So I like Pastor Joelle&#039;s ideas. Her reasons are good, but also giving a repertoire of traditional sayings that can be drawn upon in the future has value in itself. For this purpose, reinforcing memorization among all ages is not a bad idea. Liturgies can do this. In non-liturgical churches, like the ones I grew up in, you can spend 2-3 minutes of each service reciting a &quot;verse of the month,&quot; so it&#039;s o longer treated as just an activity for children.

Also, I would take issue with saying memorization is not a traditional spiritual discipline. It may not be listed separately, but several of the traditional disciplines are closely related to memorization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, I&#8217;d suggest you give a bit more thought to one of your points: &#8220;Focus on application of scripture, not just rote knowledge.&#8221;</p>
<p>I memorized a LOT of verses as a kid. In a lot of different programs, so the same verses came up again and again and were reinforced. But I&#8217;m glad I wasn&#8217;t given a canned &#8220;application&#8221; to go along with each verse. Maybe it also helped that my dad could come up with a quote from scripture to apply to any situation. Sometimes it was a joke. Sometimes he even changed things up. One of his favorites was, &#8220;And when you pray, go into your closet, and when you have shut the door &#8230; find the broom and start sweeping.&#8221;</p>
<p>Having a lot of verses memorized without any particular application has really enhanced my meditative life as an adult because each verse wasn&#8217;t married to a canned interpretation. I could play with them in ways I would never have thought of as a kid when I did the memory work.</p>
<p>So I like Pastor Joelle&#8217;s ideas. Her reasons are good, but also giving a repertoire of traditional sayings that can be drawn upon in the future has value in itself. For this purpose, reinforcing memorization among all ages is not a bad idea. Liturgies can do this. In non-liturgical churches, like the ones I grew up in, you can spend 2-3 minutes of each service reciting a &#8220;verse of the month,&#8221; so it&#8217;s o longer treated as just an activity for children.</p>
<p>Also, I would take issue with saying memorization is not a traditional spiritual discipline. It may not be listed separately, but several of the traditional disciplines are closely related to memorization.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Cleaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Cleaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 04:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joelle, I didn&#039;t think about distracting people by parading the kids reciting Bible verses. I may have to reconsider my position.

Honestly, we don&#039;t see much of the kind of memorization programs I wrote against within the ELCA. I come from an evangelical background and still have lots of ties to people in that tradition. I just observed a conversation between people about giving away iPod Touches for memorizing Bible verses. And I just wrote my thoughts why I didn&#039;t like that idea. 

I am for scripture memorization within programs. I&#039;m not for programs based solely on memorization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joelle, I didn&#8217;t think about distracting people by parading the kids reciting Bible verses. I may have to reconsider my position.</p>
<p>Honestly, we don&#8217;t see much of the kind of memorization programs I wrote against within the ELCA. I come from an evangelical background and still have lots of ties to people in that tradition. I just observed a conversation between people about giving away iPod Touches for memorizing Bible verses. And I just wrote my thoughts why I didn&#8217;t like that idea. </p>
<p>I am for scripture memorization within programs. I&#8217;m not for programs based solely on memorization.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Joelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pastor Joelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do a little memory work with my confirmands.  Didn&#039;t read the rant against it but all the arguments have to do with mindless memorization.  Duh.  I don&#039;t spend the whole class time with memorization.  It&#039;s a warm up.  I make it fun. I have us repeat the verses in funny voices.  Okay let&#039;s do it with German accent now.  It gives them a sense of accomplishment.  I know different people have different gifts for memorization but I can make even the least gifted able to repeat a short bible verse and it makes them feel good about themselves.

And when the old people hear them reciting bible verses they dont&#039; worry so much about the other heretical stuff I&#039;m teaching them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do a little memory work with my confirmands.  Didn&#8217;t read the rant against it but all the arguments have to do with mindless memorization.  Duh.  I don&#8217;t spend the whole class time with memorization.  It&#8217;s a warm up.  I make it fun. I have us repeat the verses in funny voices.  Okay let&#8217;s do it with German accent now.  It gives them a sense of accomplishment.  I know different people have different gifts for memorization but I can make even the least gifted able to repeat a short bible verse and it makes them feel good about themselves.</p>
<p>And when the old people hear them reciting bible verses they dont&#8217; worry so much about the other heretical stuff I&#8217;m teaching them.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Cleaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Cleaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awww, I think we agree. How disappointing. I was ready for a lashing. I just skimmed, but will come back later. It&#039;s a busy day today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awww, I think we agree. How disappointing. I was ready for a lashing. I just skimmed, but will come back later. It&#8217;s a busy day today.</p>
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